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Day 7 – Indepth Look At My Hops, What Do You Think?

Hey everyone,

So today I FINALLY got the last 2 sites in this niche completed…that makes for 22 sniper sites in this 1 niche…Each sniper site covers a keyword that has either 5k searches per month(phrase match), or 12-15/k searches a month(although there are a few that are in the 20-22k range).  For the sites that are now indexed, they are ALL ranking on page 1 of Google somewhere.  They’re now all generating about 50 hops a day it seems(yesterday it was around 45, today it is at 55).

Now 1/2 of these keywords are not too targeted because they are only 2 word phrases, however the other 1/2 are targeted 3 word phrases.. The overall total of hops generated so far by these 20 odd sites is now 404 hops/0 sales(about 25 of those don’t count as it’s me clicking, so I suppose it’s 379 hops).  I took a screenshot showing all the hops I’ve gotten from April 12th to May 11th to shed some more light on this…have a look (everything boxed in red are tracking ID’s for the high hop/no sale niche):

Now around 379 hops and no sales is pretty crazy, but when it’s spread out amongst all these sites like this, it doesn’t look QUITE as bad…What do you think about this?  Is it too early to say the keywords are no good?  It’s kind of frustrating seeing you have double the hops but no real change in income :/  BTW, you can have a look at my more successful sniper sites in there and what they’ve made in this past month.

Earnings For Today:

  • $40.05 – 2 Sales, 1 from Site#1 and 1 from a Sniper Site!
  • Adsense = $1.55


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  1. Shelly
    May 12th, 2009 at 07:56 | #1

    Wow that’s a lot of hops!

    I wonder if the ebook doesn’t come across as trustworthy? Maybe it’s priced too expensive or too cheap? Clearly people are interested but something is stopping them from making the purchase.

    Maybe you should write your own ebook and try to sell that? Or find another product to promote?

  2. Evita
    May 12th, 2009 at 09:33 | #2

    Hm. Sounds like maybe there is something wrong with the offer?? That’s a lot of hops…. especially since they are all going to the same landing page…dunno.

    What do you think yourself about the offer, the product and the landing page?

    Have 2 sniper sites on page one. One is getting zero traffic, and the other one had a couple of visitors yesterday with a couple of hops.(It’s in the 9th position)

    Picked up some car rental discount type domains. Haven’t been indexed yet, curious to see how they do.

    Have found some domains which are a product name. Not sure whether to bother with those or not. Like, www . steinwaypianos.com (just an example) May get in trouble for those, no? or maybe ride it as far as it will go unless you need to do a ton of promotion?

  3. Lisa
    May 12th, 2009 at 11:19 | #3

    I have one site that has high hops and no sales as well. I think it may be the product/sales page, but the problem is that it’s the only clickbank product of its type. Do you plan on switching products at some point if the sales stay low?

  4. May 12th, 2009 at 11:28 | #4

    Mike – are you tracking the links separately to see which ones get the most hops? Maybe it has something to do with where you positioned the links or your own copy. It’s kind of hard to say without seeing you actual site 😀

  5. May 12th, 2009 at 11:59 | #5

    I am curious about this same topic. I was wondering how long do you wait on a product to finally say “this product’s landing page isn’t converting, time to move on to another”?

  6. Mikeman
    May 12th, 2009 at 12:43 | #6

    Thanks for all the input..

    Evita..Now that I think about it, if you want to purchase a product for this offer, the ordering process is a little convoluted, the “buy now” button is not very prominent and when you go to checkout, you have to pick which option you want and then enter in your name and additional details then click submit to create an account before being re-directed to the clickbank order page.

    There are a couple of products in this niche that do that though and this has a gravity of 80…one other note is it’s “%refd:” is 69.0%…the thing is, in this niche, for this kind of product, the %refd” for various products on CB tends to be on the low range and that’s one of the higher ones.

    Shelly, Lisa – The good thing though is I can switch this out for another product if I wanted, there are a few here, but if I did that the commission gained would be a lot lower, it would literally be cut in 1/2.

    Sara(WAHM) :>, I was tracking all the links separately as you can see in the above screenshots. As for the positioning of the links, I don’t believe that is an issue. I placed 1 prominent bolded link at the top of the article for those who don’t have enough time, one in the middle, and one at the end.

    Sara, deciding when to move on to another product is something I’m grappling with right now :> I suppose everyone has different limits of what they’re willing to take, so different people have different boundaries.

    Seeing as how I’m getting so many hops each day(50ish), I think I’m going to hold out a bit longer and see what happens. If in another 8 days I get up to 800 hops and still have 0 sales then I’ll start looking into changing things around.

  7. Mikeman
    May 12th, 2009 at 12:53 | #7


    Evita, about your question on taking product domains that are the same as the product name..it’s a tough call, it can go either way depending upon the affiliate.

    Some would rather play it safe and not take it, but there are those who do take it…it’s up to you and whether or not you want to take that risk.

    If it were me, I’d probably do it :> But that’s just me(I’m used to going down the BH path)..I’d do it because it wouldn’t take long for me to make a sniper site like that and worst case I’m out $10.

  8. Deb
    May 12th, 2009 at 13:10 | #8

    spread out among sites…that’s the biggest issue…

    look at each site individually…. 1/100 is an average sales number to go by, though some do more, some less…

    if those 400 hops were to ONE site, with no sales, I’d be more concerned, but they are spread out among many sites

    …if people click through and don’t buy…it’s a problem with the landing/sales page….if people aren’t clicking through, it’s a problem with the pre-selling, which you obviously don’t have a problem with..

    that’s what i had to look at — lots of hops, but guess what..those hops were to MANY different sites, so I never truly hit that 1/100 that I had hoped for when I broke it down…then I didn’t panic, becuase maybe 29 of those hops went to one site, 32 went to another, and 10 here, 5 there…

    so if you’re seeing 100 hops to a site, no sales..then there is concern…but 20 hops, no sale…not so much.

  9. Mikeman
    May 12th, 2009 at 13:29 | #9


    Hey Deb, thanks for this…that’s one thing I wasn’t sure of, if I should add them all up or not.

    I suppose then another thing I can do is wait until 1 of my sites gets to around 200 hops and see if it gets a sale by then.

    I’m curious, when you went through this as you said, and you waited it out, did you find that the sales eventually came to each site?

  10. Donna
    May 12th, 2009 at 14:35 | #10

    I don’t have any new thoughts to add as my feelings are the same as some of the others, but I had to comment and say I love the puffer fish pic. 🙂

  11. Mikeman
    May 12th, 2009 at 14:37 | #11



  12. Debbie
    May 12th, 2009 at 15:06 | #12


    I didn’t know it was a fish. I thought it was a bird. Guess I won’t be doing a nature site. LOL. Mike, do they have a newsletter on the site or free ebook and if so did you check to see if the link carries over to your affil id when clicked on? Also, I am not sure if this is true but I have heard the acne niche with cb does badly from a few affiliates on another forum (and my own experience). I am not sure if it’s in that niche or not.

    That’s not great if the checkout is convoluted, but if it’s a desperate market item that may be okay. Thanks for the detailed updates.


  13. Mikeman
    May 13th, 2009 at 00:03 | #13


    Debbie, ya, they do have a e-mail signup…..I just checked it. When you sign-up to the newsletter, on the page where it tells you to check your e-mail, if you click “return to homepage” you wind up going back to the sales page where the aff link IS still counted..

    However, if you go and confirm your subscription to the list, on the thank you page for having joined, if you click “return to homepage” it ends up going to a different related offer made by the same guy for which the credit goes to the creator of the program :/

    If however the user gets a follow up e-mail and clicks to buy the product through that, it is registering my affiliate link…

    I didn’t know the acne niche was bad on CB…but thanks for the heads up.

  14. Rik
    May 13th, 2009 at 02:54 | #14

    Hi Mike, I would agree with Deb about the hops being spread out over a number of sites.

    I think if it was me it would be time to switch products and give anotehr one a go. maybe you could switch products on maybe half the sites and see how it compares.

    I know you said the commission is 50% less, but if you get sales that 50% less that you will receive is better than promoting a product with higher commissions that doesn’t convert.


  15. Mikeman
    May 13th, 2009 at 12:46 | #15


    Hey Rik, I just had a more in depth look at the other products and found that the other top products in the niche do the same thing (ie: have you create an account with them before you’re sent to the purchase page on CB)..

    I have found a few that don’t do that, but they don’t target the whole niche demographic(ex: only women not men, that sort of thing)

    Seeing as how I get so many hops each day, I’ll let this play out a bit longer, I want to see myself get at least *1* sale with this.


  16. Deb
    May 14th, 2009 at 09:17 | #16

    Yes, sales eventually come, but if and when they don’t, I move on and realze that they’re sales page isn’t working. Maybe there isn’t a proper call to action…maybe they don’t allay the fears of the client, wondering if they’ll get what they paid for…maybe it comes off too good to be true…

    Honestly…I’m much more selective about landing pages these days. I look at things like gravity and popularity, but also when i look at and read their landing page, do I feel it’s persuasive enough to make someone buy? Think about it…say your topic was smoking…and you don’t smoke…a great sales page has you thinking you need that product! If you’re drawn in and are like..man, this is GOOD stuff…that’s what sells….all your work is wasted if the landing page sucks…

  17. September 4th, 2009 at 16:14 | #17

    Man, nice website. I like your style of posting by days and what you did. I think it’s brilliant. I’ve wanted to do the same thing but never thought about it. I thought it would be too many posts.

    I like how hard you work too it’s ridiculous. Keep it up. I hope your still posting as I’m reading your day 7 post 🙂

    It’s so interesting I might even read the whole 120+ days LOL!

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