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Day 357 – Outsourced 6 Articles + Grizzly’s Post

April 27th, 2010

Today I took adsense sites #174-205 and paired them up as best I could for UAW submissions. For every 2 sites in the UAW submission, I try to make both sites match/have both sites in the same niche….however in the end there are always a few that are completely unrelated, and that’s OK. Just as long as when you do the UAW submission, the article you use is related to at least *1* of the sites.

Once I did that paring, I wound up with 16 UAW submissions to outsource..I just outsourced 6 of them. I’ll do the rest tomorrow.

Aside from that, I also analyzed about 14 of my Clickbank Snipers that were going to expire soon and renewed all but 1 of them. the one I didn’t renew made 0 sales and the rest made between 1-5 sales for the *year*.

By the way, for those wondering about this whole thin adsense site/de-indexing from Google fiasco, you may want to read this post made by Grizzly on Monday:

hxxp://makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com/2010/04/making-money-online-in-2010-facelift.html (replace xx’s with tt’s)

Earnings For Today:

  • CB = $16.61
  • BLS Sale = $29.10(tnx :>)
  • **Edit: (missed this) UAW Sale/renewal = 26.80(tnx :>)
  • Adsense = $138.95 (this increase btw is not due to the UAW runs but due to a couple of the last 30 adsense sites I’ve made suddenly picking up big time…not sure if the boost in these last few sites is going to be temporary or permanent just yet though…)
  • Total = $211.46

-Mike

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  1. Chris
    April 27th, 2010 at 14:23 | #1

    How many adsense sites do you have to make $100+ a day?

  2. April 27th, 2010 at 15:47 | #2

    Just read Grizzly’s post before coming here. I kinda expected this to happen and am re-thinking some of my plans and I pretty conservative to begin with. I’m glad you are taking some precautions, Mike.

  3. Susan
    April 27th, 2010 at 16:10 | #3

    Mike

    Hey thanks for sharing that post; I too have stopped pumping out site after site. Although I am not anywhere near what you are making; I am still focusing on adsense. However I am using other methods and making my sites bigger with more than just 5 pages of content.

    Thanks for sharing I always read your blog

  4. Josh
    April 27th, 2010 at 16:16 | #4

    @Mikeman

    Is UAW considered a “spam” program? Or should we remain pretty safe if the only thing aiming at our sites is UAW articles?

  5. Tony
    April 27th, 2010 at 16:52 | #5

    man reading that post got me kinda nervous…so if you past 100/day or 200/day and your sites will be looked at manually by big G….great…

  6. Cole
    April 27th, 2010 at 17:23 | #6

    So do you think I should be worried if I’m only targeting a 15 to 30 dollar daily Adsense income? Of course I wouldn’t mind building sites up to more reputable levels but if I’m only going after smaller incomes from this I’d rather put less work in.

  7. April 27th, 2010 at 18:08 | #7

    @Josh
    I know you asked Big M, but no, it’s not a spam program. A spam program would post either emails or blog comments, etc., where they are not warranted. UAW strictly posts to their own network of blogs (those who opt in) or to article directories — in both cases, either the directory or the blog owner has the option of saying, “no, not good enough.”

    Which, btw, is something to keep in mind when you’re posting to UAW — you can make a run but if your stuff is so crummy, it won’t get accepted as much.

    I’ve said it before, I once got a run on UAW that resulted in something like 250 backlinks (I already had about 50 from article marketing), when the dust settled I had 300+ total…content = backlinks.

    It’s not spam. (Which is really good fried, with fried rice…but only if you’re dirt poor and don’t care about your arteries.)

  8. April 27th, 2010 at 18:33 | #8

    Er…har-de-har-har, I just watched Splork’s (?) video on Grizz’s blog. I still stand behind UAW, so long as you provide content that matters (imho) — I think that was the point of the vid.

    So I stand a bit corrected. UAW is a spaminator if you send out spam…I personally don’t, and really don’t mean to sound like I’m riding a high horse in an ivory tower (I just don’t roll that way).

  9. Josh
    April 28th, 2010 at 01:08 | #9

    @JamestheJust on Elance

    The video was hilarious hahaha “get busy spamming or die an inglorious death online”

    UAW strikes me as a white hat program, but I fear that google might associate it with MFA.

  10. April 28th, 2010 at 01:28 | #10

    @Josh
    There is always a red flag — I think that it all depends on a number of factors, including your landing page.

    There are two things to keep in mind with Grizz’s post:

    1) He states his friend’s site wasn’t spam — I don’t disbelieve Grizz, but if that site was all about SEO tactics…

    I mean, G hates SEO, we steal $ out of their Adwordz bank account by ranking for free, or close to it…So that’s a bit of a warning.

    2) The site in question was a blogger blog — or blogspot — owned by G, who hates SEO…

    None of my niches are in the SEO or SEM cat’s. Not only that, but I wouldn’t ever put money-making landing pages on a “free” web 2.0 site — always host.

    That isn’t to say that G won’t shut you down — they reserve the right to do so, but then the lesson is this: make sure it’s quality stuff, and if you have MFA sites, they better not look that way.

    I dunno…just musing here, but I really don’t think UAW is going to be shut down or result in negative feedback unless the content itself, or the landing pages, are junk or whatnot. and yeah: funny vid!

  11. Josh
    April 28th, 2010 at 01:41 | #11

    @JamestheJust on Elance

    I’m just being paranoid. Nothing to worry about. I never understood why google didn’t aggressively track programs like UAW, linkvana, backlink solutions etc in order to deindex their networks. Apparently they don’t have as big a problem with them as I would if I was trying to completely keep the spam off of the serps.

  12. RichP
    April 28th, 2010 at 03:37 | #12

    IMO the fact that Google are manually cleaning up Adsense is an indicator that they WONT bother doing anything about Mass article submissions/spinning. (Most of which dont even stick in their index anyway – 35 backlinks in Yahoo’s index does not = 35 links counted in Google).

    They’re looking to clean up all the 5-page exact match domains like “thickyogamatsinfo.com” that are pushed up the SERPs to outrank the ecommerce pages that searchers are really looking for when they do product searches.

  13. Josh
    April 28th, 2010 at 03:52 | #13

    @RichP

    I think you really nailed it on the head in that last sentence. People say all kinds of things about “quality content” and the site being useful to the user. But the point is, if someone types in “thick yoga mats” they are looking for an e-commerce site to buy thick yoga mats. Google knows this, just like all of us do deep down inside(seriously, think about if you were looking for a product with google and all you found were sniper sites with huge adsense blocks and drivel), and they are cleaning up the serps to do what they have always tried to do-give searches what they are looking for.

    Also, the problem with google is that we have no idea how many links they count. The amount they show us definitely is not all of the links they are counting.

  14. Kasey Langton
    April 28th, 2010 at 07:15 | #14

    @ Josh
    go0gle doesnt mind self-promotion and they actually encourage it but of course there is a line that has to be drawn and they dont want junk in the SERPS for obvious reasons. ive been trying to look for the source to back this up but still cant seem to find it. i wanna say m4tt cutt.s said this at a convention but i cant be for sure. but it did come from somewhere pretty reliable. ill keep looking for the source.

  15. April 28th, 2010 at 08:08 | #15

    @RichP
    Then, RichP — sell thick yoga mats!

    You can find that easy enough on an Amazon link, or shareasale, commission junction…seems to work out fine that way for me anyway.

  16. Terry
    April 28th, 2010 at 09:22 | #16

    JamestheJust on Elance :@RichPThen, RichP — sell thick yoga mats!
    You can find that easy enough on an Amazon link, or shareasale, commission junction…seems to work out fine that way for me anyway.

    I agree. Add an Amazon link and make a few extra dollars from these products. The added benefit is that by putting on an Amazon link you are also showing Google that your site is not just an adsense only site. It has other forms of monetization.

  17. RichP
    April 28th, 2010 at 09:24 | #17

    James, not sure what you mean..

    My point was that Google isnt fond of people just trying to cash in on a product search term with a sniper site that, when it comes down to it, just puts one extra click between the SERP and the actual ecommerce product pages that person was searching for.

    Google deindexing sniper sites is in the same vein as the PPC cleanup they did a while back – targetting the thin affiliates that didnt add value, and just clogged up the paid search listings.

  18. RichP
    April 28th, 2010 at 09:33 | #18

    Oh, I see – you’re saying be an affiliate for the product, as opposed to just running Adsense ads?

    Yeah I think that’s probably more sustainable. Even still though, I still think Google would just prefer, for product searches, a)ecommerce pages that actually sell it or b) thick info sites that really add value with their info – e.g. useful comparisons, honest reviews, opinions, etc.

    But yeah, I would think any kind of affiliate site is less risky than adsense snipers, just because google have an easy way of cleaning up the adsense snipers (e.g. looking at high-earning adsense accounts).

    @Terry, though – I dont think just because you have more than one monetisation model, you’re going to be safer. Monetising in other ways other than adsense stops google finding your site, but any thin xfactor-style site with adsense on it is at risk IMO, regardless of what other ads it has, because of how G views those types of sites. To be safer… you need to get thicker. Which means adding real value to the user (or at least, appearing to!).

  19. matt
    April 28th, 2010 at 10:06 | #19

    Hello Everyone,
    Just a quick question or two for Mike.

    1. Have you ever thought about using `Dragon naturally speaking`? for the content. I think its been updated, so it might be easier to use now.

    2. Mike, do you still use back link solutions? If you are, do you do the max 1,000 link a month per site. Recently it seems you only use UAW.

    3. Have you thought about using outsourcers? I recently used globolstaff.com they are based in singapore. I read positive reviews about them on BHW. I am getting articles re-writtern. I also paid for some angela and backlinks. You can get a p/t worker for $200 a month ( 4hrs per day mon-fri) or you can get a f/t worker for $400. They seem pretty knowledgable. I am just waiting to see what the first 10 rewritten articles are like… and I might try the p/t worker..

    cheers

  20. dan
    April 28th, 2010 at 10:13 | #20

    OK, so how exactly does somebody add value with micro niche product sites. It is very hard to write about things like 4 slice toasters other than to rewrite product descriptions and reviews, and give some information on how they work/benefits etc.

  21. Terry
    April 28th, 2010 at 11:10 | #21

    Use different templates, add amazon, cpa, ebay ane some photos or a YouTube video. Put a littel effort into making a site that actually gives some value. Get away from the herd mentality of throwing up these black and green template sites with minimal content and adsense only plastered on them. (I’m not directing that at you or anyone here BTW, just saying) The sites scream MFA and in fact, that is what they are whether they have 1 page or 50. Frankly, when you see some of the absolute crap content that are on so many of these sites from people who could care less, then I’m glad Google is getting aggressive.

    Ultimately, all of this going on with Google right now is only speculation. And you can either let it stop you in your tracks like a deer in the headlights…or you can make some adjustments to your sites, add a little extra value and keep building. I know that doesn’t sound sexy, but it will make you money.

    I need another cup of coffee…

  22. RichP
    April 28th, 2010 at 11:16 | #22

    You’re right. Good post Terry… spot on.

  23. April 28th, 2010 at 12:33 | #23

    dan :
    OK, so how exactly does somebody add value with micro niche product sites. It is very hard to write about things like 4 slice toasters other than to rewrite product descriptions and reviews, and give some information on how they work/benefits etc.

    Dan – as the above guys said, but part of the problem would be niche selection; there really is very little you could write about 4 slice toasters…but thick yoga mats have a bit more substance to them.

  24. Mikeman
    April 28th, 2010 at 12:54 | #24

    @Chris

    You can find that out by doing a bit more reading through the site..or looking at my latest post.

    @Carrie

    Thanks Carrie..

    Ya, if everyone and their uncle jumps in on making nothing but black/green yellow sites some with little or no useful content, then it was only a matter of time.

    @Susan

    np Susan, thanks.

    @Josh

    Looks like James answered this :>

    Backlink variation is good BTW…my sites all have been backlinked with BMD/RSS Submissions/Digg/UAW and some with SENuke and BLS.

    Terry :

    Use different templates, add amazon, cpa, ebay ane some photos or a YouTube video. Put a littel effort into making a site that actually gives some value. Get away from the herd mentality of throwing up these black and green template sites with minimal content and adsense only plastered on them. (I’m not directing that at you or anyone here BTW, just saying) The sites scream MFA and in fact, that is what they are whether they have 1 page or 50. Frankly, when you see some of the absolute crap content that are on so many of these sites from people who could care less, then I’m glad Google is getting aggressive.

    Ultimately, all of this going on with Google right now is only speculation. And you can either let it stop you in your tracks like a deer in the headlights…or you can make some adjustments to your sites, add a little extra value and keep building. I know that doesn’t sound sexy, but it will make you money.

    I need another cup of coffee…

    Agreed, good post…although it would probably be a good thing if people all gave into the fear and ran off to the next great opportunity, would take the heat off of this.

  25. April 28th, 2010 at 14:17 | #25

    @Terry
    spot on, terry. RichP — glad you understood what I meant. I’ve sort of stumbled across Mike’s site (after) using my xfactor sites as affiliate sites (minimally) — my sites have added real value, hence a few of them have actually grown in PR (which Mike mentioned a while ago about some of his sites). all this news about Grizzly’s bud and Ben…just drives home for me what I’ve personally been doing, and that’s taking into consideration the audience: give your reader what they’re looking for.

    The clicks on AdSens3 aren’t to be used/viewd, imho, as an exit strategy, because the site’s so plain boring and useless otherwise…and this isn’t what John XFactor teaches in his course, btw. He makes a case for content, for quality, etc., and if ppl make sites that are junk, then that’s on them: the system’s not broken, it’s just Adsens3 evolution in a manner of speaking.

    But capturing your audience, even if you are “selling” 4-slice toasters, is totally doable. If you think (anyone here, this is just a general idea) that you “can’t” sell or write about 4-slice toasters…well, you just haven’t found the right writer.

    Personally — and I’m *not* asking for more work right now, please — I have a sales/marketing background. I can sell shoes to people who don’t have legs…that sort of marketing savvy needs to be a part of your writing, if you’re trying to have an affiliate or product-driven site, but again: that’s just how I do things. It’s worked out so far.

    I’ll re-post after I have the sort of success of Mike, Grizz and Ben…until then, I’m just a small fish taking notes from ppl who know their stuff. It’s all good to see these lessons, btw, great free education (for ppl like me).

    Mikeman :
    >

    Agreed, good post…although it would probably be a good thing if people all gave into the fear and ran off to the next great opportunity, would take the heat off of this.

    ZZingg! Nice shot, Mike. lol, and agreed!

  26. April 28th, 2010 at 14:19 | #26

    err…yeah…I meant to block quote your comment, Mike:

    Mikeman :
    Agreed, good post…although it would probably be a good thing if people all gave into the fear and ran off to the next great opportunity, would take the heat off of this.

  27. Kasey Langton
    April 28th, 2010 at 18:27 | #27

    RichP :
    James, not sure what you mean..
    My point was that Google isnt fond of people just trying to cash in on a product search term with a sniper site that, when it comes down to it, just puts one extra click between the SERP and the actual ecommerce product pages that person was searching for.
    Google deindexing sniper sites is in the same vein as the PPC cleanup they did a while back – targetting the thin affiliates that didnt add value, and just clogged up the paid search listings.

    I can debunk this statement as my new amazon snipers are killin the SERPS with product search terms, not only on go0gle but on yaho0 as well for product …one of em is about to break into page 1 for a search term that get 135k exact searches a month. And about 90% of the new sites are on page 1 of yaho0 and a few are taking #1 spots already. Pretty ecstatic to find out what the sales it can produce.

  28. RichP
    April 29th, 2010 at 04:18 | #28

    Good job Kasey… although just because you’re ranking, doesnt mean Google wants you to rank. That’s WHY they are doing this clear up of adsense snipers, to weed out sites that are gaming the system.

    Whether or not a site stands up to manual review depends on how thick it is/what value it offers searchers / whether it has a reason to exist other than just getting ad/affiliate clicks.

    Of course, the chances of a manual review are tiny, especially if the sites arent adsense.

  29. Kasey Langton
    April 29th, 2010 at 05:07 | #29

    @RichP
    thx…and yea, i seriously doubt go0gle wants me there and i think they want to clear up adsense sniper as people are probably starting to complain about them.

    think about this for a moment…you’re doing some online shopping and come across this site and there is only an article, then you try to click on the pics at the top and they are not clickable. and you can’t get to what you’re looking for except to click an ad, i know because ive ran across these type of sites before when looking for stuff to buy online. there everywhere

    this is extremely annoying to the searcher, BUT its extremely effective for the site owner running ads3nse. so im guessing theres been too many complaints about these type of sites and go0gle is now forced to do what they do best. clear the SERPS, or at least try to.

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